Hmm... perhaps those, but no, [Matoba hums,] When I say like an ayakashi, I include his interests. The things he likes to collect.

Organs. Limbs. Memories. Regrets.

[And, like dealing with an ayakashi, you should never give anything too good without getting better in return. Matoba, who made good business deals and bets with J and won himself useful weapons in return, has no need to risk anything with him again.]

[There's a pause, then he adds,] I do not know the answer to that, actually. Perhaps Mingming-san will?